I don't feel as though the role of the P-47 has really ever been portrayed accurately as there is a clear bias in the mind of the public as it relates to being able to recognize the role of the -47 vs. the -51. the P38 is almost as big as the transport planes it is quite easy to hit it even with the tanks. Very closely matched, but very different advantages. "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation". If its not going to be visible forget the p38 altogether. Please read and follow the instructions provided to complete this process. The 47 was tough as nails but flew like a brick. Celebrated as one of the Pacific War’s best fighters, Lockheed’s Lightning earned a less-than enviable reputation in European air combat. P-47 vs. Japanese Zero question(s) Discussion in 'Horn Depot' started by El Sapo, Jan 6, 2008. The D version with the tear drop canopy made it much better especially in combat. Both on paper and in practice they were equal planes. This is a very good example of how pilots misjudge the abilities of the enemy plane - almost always, when a pilot shotdowns a plane he thinks that the enemy plane had poor performance, if he gets shot he will say that his own plane had poor performance, like there is … I am trying to do some research for a short story I am writing but it is going painfully slow due to my slightly-better-than-dial-up connection out here in the country. F-35 Lightning II vs Chengdu J-10; P38s did have superchargers on their Allisons, they are visible in the booms. II battles, which is fine by me, but if I swap my BR3.3 P38 out for my BR3.0 P47, I go into Tier III games...the P47 is a tier III plane with a lower BR than my TII P38. Especially below 10.000 feet the P-47 feels like a dog compared to the other two. The japs hated it. Me109 has advantage over p40. Edited by Ceejay73 on Monday 29th December 21:27. mk1fan. All Rights Reserved. It has been a long time since I studied the plane much so I really don't recall the specifics or the details, but the engines I think were supercharged Merlins, it also had a very long range when using drop tanks, which made it an ideal bomber escort as well as interceptor. Your email address will not be published. P-47 vs Fw190: P36? Third, expression of NOX-2 and the subunit, p47 phox phosphorylation (Ser345), was significantly increased in SHR (note that the phosphorylation of p47 phox Ser345 is required for NOX-2 activation 20 and is induced by activation of ERK-1/2 or p38 MAPK 21). It climbs and turns slower. The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt is a World War II-era fighter aircraft produced by the American aerospace company Republic Aviation from 1941 through 1945. What the F4U could do that they couldn't do was take off and land from a carrier. Of the three outstanding Army fighters of the war (the others being the P-47 Thunderbolt They got regulated to ground support when the Mustangs appeared. F-82 Twin Mustang vs P-38 Lightning (Edgar Schmued vs Kelly Johnson) Lockheed's Kelly Johnson certainly was a genius, but North American Aviation's Edgar Schmued designed a superior twin-engine fighter. A design is a team effort, still, Schmued deserves much credit, since he drew the first drawing of the Twin Mustang with which he was awarded a US patent (#D144,938 in June 4, 1946). 9,886 posts. And while the P-47 could reach altitudes in excess of 40,000 feet (12,000 … It was an early-model, Razorback D (a D-10 to be precise) built by Curtiss rather than Republic. You can also see the intakes on the booms. The Germans called it :The Forked Tailed Devil". P40 Kitty hawk, P38, A20, P40, F6F and others in that area. The P47 was undoubtedly improved over time with the later, Republic-built, bubbletop D-25, -27, … But, of course, both Thunderbolts had the same father. But, it is faster in a dive and carries that speed longer. Hi Guys, I must say that i enjoy the new additions very much, but after some testing, i have a slight feeling that both the P-51 and even the P-38 outshine the P-47 at lower altitudes by quite a large margin. The 51 was closest to a pure fighter the 38 was close too but had a strong ground attack and the 47 was almost never used as a fighter it was close air support. The 47s were the first fighters with the  range to escort the bombers on longer range missions. Corsair and Fw190 would be fairly even, ditto for the Hellcat The P-47 was built by Republic Aircraft. The P-47 hands down. since Major Bong grew up where i live, i'm going to say P-38. This was due to the mighty power of its air-cooled, turbo-supercharged Double Wasp engine, combined with a brutish barrel-shaped airframe. Now, when i use these planes I get put into the 'Tier'(?) There's a more elaborate version giving more detail, and while it has been years I went over this, Lowell's date for the story is early 1944, so it can't have been a long-nosed Fw 190 and it can't have been Galland. For my money the DeHaviland Mosquito was the best combo fighter/bomber around in WW11. The three aircraft mentioned were not all fighters alone. Its primary armament was eight .50-caliber machine guns, and in the fighter-bomber ground-attack role it could carry five-inch rockets or a bomb load of 2,500 lb (1,100 kg). 185 months. A fairly lightweight fighter, the USAAC was intrigued and moved the project forward as the XP-47 and XP-47A. In order to create threads, posts, and interact with the Ubisoft forums you need to have a Ubisoft account with a verified email address. Copyright © 1996-2020 AR15.COM LLC. [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:01:21 PM EST by CFII], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:04:29 PM EST by Leisure_Shoot], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:06:52 PM EST by inferno715], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 10:09:06 PM EST by vito113], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 10:16:51 PM EST by GunSlingAR]. The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt is a single-engine single-seat fighter and fighter-bomber aircraft produced by the US-American manufacturer Republic Aviation Corporation. A funny point to add is that the p38 had a yoke, not a stick, for flight control. The zero is very nimble, but the twin engined p38 can out climb. From sea level, the P-51B gradually gains on the P-38J and the P-47D until, at 16,000 ft. it has a speed of about 420 mph which is about ten mph faster than the … Lots of P38 talk here, so I'll offer the dissenting opinion. . Only three things are certain: death, taxes and stupid gun laws. As I recall it carried four fifty caliber machine guns in the nose, as well as a cannon of some sort, Being that the guns were all in a central location they didn't have to be angled inwards to provide a tight pattern at long range, which gave it a distinct advantage in dogfights (your bullets went straight in front of you, unlike planes whose guns are on the wings which are angled so that the line of fire converges at about a thousand yards, the range may be different but I recall the theory well enough). P47: One Pratt and Whitney R-2800-21 engine rated at 2,000 hp Empty: 10,710 lb Maximum Takeoff: 16,215 lb Performance Speed: 433 mph (697 km/h) Ceiling: 42,000 ft -- P-47D Range: 1,725 miles (2,776 km) 8 m2 .50 caliber MG's Both are large fighters. Republic was acquired in 1965 by Fairchild, which became Fairchild Republic, manufacturer of … It's extra power also allowed it to carry 250 and 500 pound bombs, but that really cut down on its range, so was not done much. Fw-190 vs P-47 bf-109. In bomber escort, all 3 were involved all the way to the end. It could move fast. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. P-47 vs Spitfire f4u-corsair. Don't be afraid of BDU pants, they are just pants after all. P-38s could fly back with one engine shot out. Assume the German DEDICATES to climbing You are NOT getting above him How do you win a fight as a US pilot at the 4.7-5.0 tier Assume the German doesnt make any GLARING mistakes either Any tactic RELYING on your enemy making a mistake, is a bad tactic Do you mean P38? vs the zero. Comparison of P51 versus P47 & P38 (ca 1943), Comparison of P51 versus P47 & P38 (ca 1943) | Forums, http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2...llEnglish.html. P-38, fighter and fighter-bomber employed by the U.S. Army Air Forces during World War II. The P38 Lightning was a great fighter bomber, fast, long range, manuverable. Carl. I'm gettin to like the new improved beekeeper - 50% less tightass! Clearly the -51 has had the limelight. Colonel J.L. Fw190 would have the edge on the Me109. P-38…… the 'engineering' solution, P47… the 'brute power' solution. In addition, when compared with that of the control group, the translocations of cytosolic Rac1, p47 phox, and p67 phox to membranes were observed after anisomycin treatment, which was also blocked by inhibition of p38 (Fig. A significant part of that mail has suggested that I should have included the P-47 Thunderbolt instead of, or in addition to, the P-51 Mustang. 190 and corsair are even. and the other fighters need one shot of the high explosives to shoot an american pilot out of the cockpit. The American fighter pilot spotted two indistinct shapes cutting diagonally across a road just slightly above and in front of him. Cancel Reply. The Lowell vs. Galland story is an old chestnut. (in the same way that the difference between a P51B and a P51C is simply one of where it was built). Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. WillowRun, both the P38 and the P47 were capable of carrying nearly as much ordnance as a medium bomber, as well as excellent high altitude performance. The 47 used a radial engine. CAPTCHA Code * Recent Posts. The Tempest was a thoroughbred air combat fighter and arguably the war’s best piston engined fighter, only really the FW190-D9 or TA-152 or Spit XIV get anywhere near. Bf-109 vs P-47 p-38-lightning. Gimme a compare contrast to the P-47 & P-38. A large and powerful aircraft, it served as a bomber escort, a tactical bomber, and a photo-reconnaissance platform. Both were great planes with some of the most advanced  aeronautical engineering of the day incorporated in their airframes and powerplants. 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